Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/11/2001 08:07 AM House EDU

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HB 211-FOUNDATION FORMULA INCREASE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  211,  "An Act  requiring  an  annual  inflation                                                               
adjustment of  the base  student allocation  used in  the formula                                                               
for  state funding  of  public education;  and  providing for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2220                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOULE  made  a   motion  to  adopt  the  proposed                                                               
committee substitute (CS) for HB  211, version 22-LS0799\C, Ford,                                                               
4/10/01, as  a work draft.   There  being no objection  Version C                                                               
was before the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-24, SIDE B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS,  speaking  as   the  sponsor  of  HB  211,                                                               
explained that the proposed CS has  two changes.  The first draft                                                               
stated,  "the preceding  fiscal  year", whereas  the proposed  CS                                                               
states,  "the second  preceding  calendar year".   She  explained                                                               
that  CPIs  [consumer price  indexes]  are  not calculated  on  a                                                               
fiscal-year basis but on a calendar  year basis.  She stated that                                                               
after  discussions with  [the Department  of Education  and Early                                                               
Development],  it was  decided,  for planning  purposes, that  it                                                               
would be  best to  use the  CPI from  the second  preceding year.                                                               
That  way,  people could  estimate  what  the foundation  formula                                                               
would  look like  under inflation-proofing.    She remarked  that                                                               
this is the major change, and  because of this, "January 1999" on                                                               
the  last line  of  page  10 replaced  "January  2000" [from  the                                                               
original bill].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS continued,  stating that  this is  a simple                                                               
bill but  a complex  policy issue.   It fundamentally  shifts how                                                               
schools are funded  by saying the base student  allocation of the                                                               
foundation formula  is going to be  inflation-proofed every year.                                                               
She  explained that  the CPI  would  evaluate every  year what  a                                                               
bundle  of goods  costs in  Anchorage.   This is  everything from                                                               
bread and milk to some services;  it is what the standard norm is                                                               
for  determining  inflation.     She  stated  that  Anchorage  is                                                               
actually the only  area in Alaska that is large  enough to have a                                                               
CPI.   The  reason she  said she  is using  the Anchorage  CPI is                                                               
because the cost  differential is in the formula  that takes into                                                               
consideration  the credentials  for  the different  areas.   This                                                               
bill  would allow  that every  year the  base student  allocation                                                               
would go up  for what inflation was two years  preceding it.  She                                                               
said, in  her mind, this would  ensure the buying powers  for the                                                               
school districts and ensure that they remain constant.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS remarked  that funding went up  5 percent in                                                               
the 1990s, but  inflation went up 30 percent  and enrollment went                                                               
up  25  percent.    She  explained that  decisions  are  made  on                                                               
inflation-proofing.    For  example,  the permanent  fund  is  an                                                               
investment that  needs to be  kept steady; therefore,  every year                                                               
it  is inflation-proofed.   She  said  by inflation-proofing  the                                                               
foundation formula, the investment would be kept constant.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2067                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked if the $7.8  million fiscal note would  be for                                                               
inflation-proofing for just the last year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS responded  that he is correct.   She said it                                                               
would be based on the annual CPI for 1999, which was 1 percent.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked if it  would be safe  to assume that  would be                                                               
the inflation-proofing for the following year.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  answered that the following  year would use                                                               
the base of  $2,000, which would be 1.7 percent.   Therefore, the                                                               
fiscal note next  year would be $14 million,  which would include                                                               
[this year's $7.8 million].                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  stated that  there is  a bill  in the  House Finance                                                               
Committee regarding  a study  of area  cost differentials  and it                                                               
was  discussed that  there is  a difference  between the  cost of                                                               
doing  business  in  a  community   and  the  cost  of  providing                                                               
education in  a community.   He asked  if there is  some parallel                                                               
here, that  the inflation index  for education might  possibly be                                                               
different than for general business.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS responded that he  is correct.  If this were                                                               
to be done  accurately, there would be an  education price index,                                                               
which looked at  the cost of goods that a  school district has to                                                               
buy.   Given that the  nation and  economists have yet  to figure                                                               
out how to do that, the next best  "proxy" is the CPI.  It is the                                                               
best proxy, but it is not accurate.   She said most likely an EPI                                                               
(education  price  index), especially  with  the  low labor  rate                                                               
right now,  would go up  at a higher rate  than a CPI.   However,                                                               
there isn't a good source for that.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1924                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
EDDIE  JEANS, Manager,  School  Finance  and Facilities  Section,                                                               
Education  Support Services,  Department of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development (EED),  came forth and  stated that the  EED supports                                                               
this  bill.   He  clarified  that the  1  percent increase  would                                                               
affect fiscal  year 2002; therefore,  it would be an  increase in                                                               
next  year's   budget.     He  explained   that  this   was  done                                                               
specifically  so  [the  EED]  would know  what  the  price  index                                                               
increase was in order to build  it into the budget.  The previous                                                               
bill version required  the 2000 price index to be  used, but that                                                               
just  came out  in February;  therefore, the  EED would  not have                                                               
been able to build that into the  budget on an ongoing basis.  He                                                               
explained that  now that the  price index for 2000  is available,                                                               
the budget for  fiscal year 2003 would be based  on a 1.7 percent                                                               
inflation  increase,  which is  estimated  to  be a  $14  million                                                               
increase.  He added that he would have to amend the fiscal note.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  stated  that   he  is  confused  with  the                                                               
sponsor's statement  concerning the 30 percent  increase over the                                                               
last decade.  He said he  is concerned that if there were another                                                               
decade like this  past one, and had this been  done a decade ago,                                                               
the school budget would be over $900 million.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS remarked that Representative  Green is correct with the                                                               
increase  in the  inflation over  the last  ten years.   However,                                                               
districts' purchasing  power has decreased by  approximately that                                                               
30 percent.  Therefore, it may  be that a $900 million budget for                                                               
K-12 [kindergarten  through 12th  grade] education would  be more                                                               
appropriate than what today's is.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN responded  that he is more  worried that the                                                               
fiscal note may be on the low side.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1794                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Whenever we  do this, I  am a little concerned  that we                                                                    
     take the spending level that  we had in the early '80s,                                                                    
     when  we had  to hurry  up and  spend money  because it                                                                    
     might  get bad.   So  we did  all we  could to  convert                                                                    
     dollars  to  concrete at  some  record  rate, but  that                                                                    
     would  have been  a normal  or even  necessary spending                                                                    
     level.   And  we're  judging  from that.    It is  very                                                                    
     possible in some areas -  and I don't know if education                                                                    
     is one  of them - that  we were spending way  too much.                                                                    
     And  much   of  what   the  public  has   expressed  in                                                                    
     frustration as  far as asking  for reductions  in state                                                                    
     spending, I think,  is based on [the fact]  that we may                                                                    
     well have been spending too much at one point.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS responded that he understands Chair Bunde's point and                                                                 
his concerns that there was a lot of money in the late '70s and                                                                 
early '80s that was thrown at education.  He stated:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     But the  fact is,  over the  last ten  years, inflation                                                                    
     has increased  30 percent and the  funding increase has                                                                    
     only gone  up 5 percent.   So at some point  we have to                                                                    
     recognize  that we've  compensated  for that  perceived                                                                    
     overfunding in  the '80s,  and we need  to get  back on                                                                    
     track with where we really  should be funding school in                                                                    
     this state.  I'd hate to see  it go so far to the other                                                                    
     side that  we can't  recruit good,  qualified teachers.                                                                    
     I think we're already starting to see that.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Districts have  to make the  hard choices -  where they                                                                    
     spend  their money  - and  this legislature  is holding                                                                    
     districts very accountable  for the money they  get.  A                                                                    
     couple  of years  ago the  legislature passed  [a bill]                                                                    
     requiring  districts  to  demonstrate  that  they  have                                                                    
     preventative  maintenance  programs   before  they  are                                                                    
     eligible  for school  construction  funding.   I'm  not                                                                    
     saying that districts were [not]  doing that, it's just                                                                    
     that they  didn't document it  very well.  So  now they                                                                    
     have  added  expenses  there of  providing  that  added                                                                    
     documentation.  ...  Teachers'  salaries  go  up  every                                                                    
     year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     My friends in Kenai tell  me a million dollars of their                                                                    
     budget on an  annual basis has to be  shifted from some                                                                    
     other source over to teacher  salaries. ... I think the                                                                    
     Kenai School District  is a good example  of a district                                                                    
     that has  really held  the line.   At one  point during                                                                    
     the  '80s they  had a  two-tiered contract.   In  other                                                                    
     words, their new teachers coming  in were being paid on                                                                    
     a  different  salary   schedule  than  their  long-time                                                                    
     teachers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     I think  the districts  in this  state have  stepped to                                                                    
     the  table  and  have  heard  the  direction  from  the                                                                    
     legislature.   The  other thing  is,  I understand  the                                                                    
     legislature's  reluctance  with inflation-proofing  the                                                                    
     base student  allocation because people would  see that                                                                    
     as  an automatic  increase.    As Representative  Guess                                                                    
     said,   "There's   always   an  opportunity   to   make                                                                    
     adjustments."  I know that's  hard for the legislature.                                                                    
     But the  department believes strongly  that we  need to                                                                    
     do something to get us back on track.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The State  of Alaska's per-pupil  expenditures compared                                                                    
     to  the   nation  have  been   dropping  at   quite  an                                                                    
     accelerated rate.   Ten  years ago  we spent  more than                                                                    
     any state in the  nation per-pupil basis, on education.                                                                    
     And we're dropping down below  number ten in the nation                                                                    
     now.  I  would suggest to you all that  we have greater                                                                    
     difficulties  in providing  our  educational system  in                                                                    
     the  great  state  of Alaska  than  most  other  states                                                                    
     because of the remoteness of many of our communities.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE remarked  that Mr. Jeans had hit on  something that a                                                               
number of [legislators]  are concerned about.   With the demanded                                                               
increased  accountability,  for  example, with  the  High  School                                                               
Qualifying Exam, more resources and  money should be rewarded for                                                               
a job  well done.   Human  nature being  what it  is, he  said, a                                                               
person  gets a  guaranteed raise  every year  but doesn't  always                                                               
work as  hard as  he or  she would  under some  kind of  merit or                                                               
bonus [system].   This [inflation-proofing] would  take more than                                                               
the available money the state  might want to invest in education,                                                               
and would  preclude providing  merit pay  for schools  and school                                                               
districts since everybody is going to get an automatic increase.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1569                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  asked if  the school  system has  looked at                                                               
getting "outside the box."  For  example, in rural areas where it                                                               
is more expensive,  there could be someone in  the classrooms who                                                               
is a disciplinarian while the  children are taught over monitors,                                                               
since they are  already watching television.  He  added that this                                                               
has done extremely well in adult education.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS responded  that the  education task  force did  make a                                                               
recommendation for  such a program, for  approximately $2 million                                                               
to be  appropriated to the  state correspondence program.   There                                                               
are teachers on  staff who could provide the  expertise in fields                                                               
such as  mathematics.  The teacher  on site, he said,  would then                                                               
become the mentor.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  noted that  also going  through the  legislature was                                                               
legislation that would encourage rural  districts to make a local                                                               
contribution.   If  the state  contribution goes  up every  year,                                                               
that could perhaps reduce that incentive as well.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1456                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HARRIET   DRUMMOND,  Member,   Anchorage   School  Board   (ASB),                                                               
testified  via  teleconference.   She  stated  that the  ASB  had                                                               
passed  a resolution  in  support of  in-state  funding for  K-12                                                               
education.  She read the resolution to the committee:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  during  the  last  ten  years  budget  of  the                                                                    
     Anchorage  School  District   has  been  [impacted]  by                                                                    
     approximately  a 30  percent  increase in  the cost  of                                                                    
     index  while   the  same   funding  formula   has  only                                                                    
     increased by 5 percent;                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  during  the  last 10  years  Anchorage  School                                                                    
     District's general fund revenue  from state sources has                                                                    
     decreased  from 73.37  percent to  62.56 percent  while                                                                    
     general fund  revenues from  local taxes  has increased                                                                    
     from 23.7 percent to 31.33 percent of annual budgets;                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  the Anchorage  School  District  is no  longer                                                                    
     able  to be  competitive in  employee salaries  and has                                                                    
     seen  marked   increases  in  unfilled   positions  and                                                                    
     decreases   in  its   ability  to   attract  proficient                                                                    
     qualified staff;                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS both federal and  state governments continue to                                                                    
     require more  and more  services including  the Quality                                                                    
     Schools   Initiative    and   the    Individuals   with                                                                    
     Disabilities    Education    Act   without    providing                                                                    
     commensurate funding;                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  for the  upcoming  year  the Anchorage  School                                                                    
     Board  has to  deal  with approximately  a $12  million                                                                    
     deficit just  to maintain current levels  of service to                                                                    
     our students;                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  the  Governor's  non-partisan  task  force  on                                                                    
     education  funding  examined  how   best  to  focus  on                                                                    
     student  achievement  and  recommended  a  $45  million                                                                    
     increase in state funding for next year;                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  the Governor  has  announced  that 15  million                                                                    
     additional  dollars  are  available from  increases  in                                                                    
     school trust  earnings, and local  and federal  aid are                                                                    
     requiring the  state to put fewer  general fund dollars                                                                    
     into next year's funding formula;                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  (indisc.) being  considered by  wealthy Alaska                                                                    
     Senate  and  House  are  significantly  less  than  the                                                                    
     amount authorized  for last year's take  home education                                                                    
     expenditure;                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Now  therefore be  it  resolved,  the Anchorage  School                                                                    
     Board    supports   legislation    that   significantly                                                                    
     increases the amount of  state funding appropriated for                                                                    
     K-12 education.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1282                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVE JONES, Director of Finance, Kodiak Island Borough School                                                                   
District, testified via teleconference.  He stated:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The  lack  of   inflation-proofing  in  the  foundation                                                                    
     formula is  causing serious  burdens across  the state.                                                                    
     I will  try and relate  to you the specific  effects it                                                                    
     has had  on Kodiak  schools.   From 1989  through 2000,                                                                    
     state  revenue per  student has  actually decreased  by                                                                    
     2.5 percent in  Kodiak.  During this  same time period,                                                                    
     the  Anchorage  consumer  price index  has  risen  32.9                                                                    
     percent.    The  combined  result has  been  a  serious                                                                    
     decline in  purchasing power  for the  school district.                                                                    
     Our borough has increased  their support by 109 percent                                                                    
     in that same  time period.  This  support has partially                                                                    
     shielded us from the effects  of inflation, but we have                                                                    
     still  been  forced  to make  program  cuts  in  recent                                                                    
     years.  In FY [fiscal  year] 2000, we cut $242,000 from                                                                    
     our  budget   and  used   the  remaining   $350,000  of                                                                    
     available fund balance.  In  FY 2001, we were forced to                                                                    
     cut $824,000 from our budget.   These were serious cuts                                                                    
     that directly affected our  ability to provide adequate                                                                    
     instruction to our students.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     In FY '02, without adding  any programs, we are looking                                                                    
     at a $523,000 deficit.  When  we look at the reason for                                                                    
     the deficit, inflation is the  clear culprit.  Our fuel                                                                    
     costs  have increased  by  $109,000.   This  is a  28.9                                                                    
     percent   increase.     Our   electricity  costs   have                                                                    
     increased  by $134,000,  which is  an increase  of 16.6                                                                    
     percent.    These are  only  two  examples of  one-year                                                                    
     inflation  increases  that  are not  addressed  in  the                                                                    
     current   foundation  formula.     Without   additional                                                                    
     funding to  address these  inflationary costs,  we will                                                                    
     again   be  forced   to  make   further  cuts   to  our                                                                    
     educational programs.   After  making over  one million                                                                    
     dollars' worth of cuts in  the last ten years, there is                                                                    
     clearly no fat  or excess in our budget.   The $523,000                                                                    
     deficit we  are facing  will result in  the elimination                                                                    
     of approximately  eight teaching positions.   This will                                                                    
     have devastating  effects on our ability  to provide an                                                                    
     adequate education to the students in Kodiak.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  effects  of  inflation are  not  isolated  to  the                                                                    
     island of  Kodiak alone.   The examples I gave  you are                                                                    
     being  faced  by  school districts  across  the  state.                                                                    
     Based on these facts,  the Alaska Association of School                                                                    
     Business  Officials  (ALASBO)   included  the  need  to                                                                    
     inflation-proof the  foundation formula as one  of only                                                                    
     three items  on our  legislative agenda for  this year.                                                                    
     The costs  of inflation  have resulted in  serious cuts                                                                    
     to our educational programs; at  the same time, we have                                                                    
     been given  higher performance  standards.   House Bill                                                                    
     211 would  eliminate future educational cuts  caused by                                                                    
     inflation, and I urge you to support this bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1132                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN HOLST, Superintendent, Sitka  School District, testified via                                                               
teleconference.   He stated that he  would like to echo  what the                                                               
previous two speakers have said.   Clearly, he said, inflation is                                                               
eating "us" alive.   He stated that the Sitka  School District is                                                               
budgeting about  $85,000 more  in its fixed  cost this  year just                                                               
for fuel,  and textbooks have  gone up  about 200 percent  in the                                                               
past five  years.   He stressed that  it is  absolutely mandatory                                                               
for  the  legislature, as  soon  as  possible, to  eliminate  the                                                               
impacts of inflation and go beyond  that.  To just say inflation-                                                               
proof is not  going to make up  for the cuts that  have been made                                                               
over  the  five to  ten  years  that  have started  to  seriously                                                               
cripple  districts in  retaining  teachers  and implementing  the                                                               
legislative   requirements   in   terms   of   improving   school                                                               
performance.   He added  that [the Sitka  School District]  is in                                                               
support  of student  performance; however,  it is  desperately in                                                               
need of assistance.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1035                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DARRELL HARGRAVES,  Executive Director, Alaska Council  of School                                                               
Administrators  (ACSA), came  forth and  stated that  [Mr. Jeans]                                                               
gave  an   excellent  lesson  about  that   ravaging  effects  of                                                               
inflation.   He  stated that  inflation  is a  word "we've"  been                                                               
cautioned not  to use,  but this  "eroding purchasing  power" has                                                               
caused  great stress  on school  districts.   He  said he  thinks                                                               
school districts have tried heroically  to comply with all of the                                                               
accountability measures  that have  been put  in place  in recent                                                               
years.  However,  there is a problem in schools  across the state                                                               
today,  and much  of it  comes from  inflation that  has cut  the                                                               
purchasing power.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HARGRAVES remarked  that Mr.  Jeans had  mentioned the  fact                                                               
that  there are  maintenance  reporting  requirements, which  the                                                               
legislature mandated  because it didn't think  schools were being                                                               
kept up at  the level they should  be.  However, he  said, he was                                                               
in  a district  when  that compliance  requirement occurred;  the                                                               
districtwide  maintenance staff  there was  reduced from  four to                                                               
one.    That  happened,  he  said,  as  a  result  of  some  huge                                                               
inflationary  problems with  no increase  in foundation  funding.                                                               
He  stated  that  school districts  have  been  preparing  graphs                                                               
showing the loss  of purchasing power over the past  decade.  The                                                               
last one  he did was in  1995 or 1996.   He said he went  back to                                                               
1986  and found,  for that  decade,  a very  distinct 35  percent                                                               
decrease  in purchasing  power of  that school  district's income                                                               
from  the  revenues  from  the state.    With  those  significant                                                               
factors, he remarked,  that he thinks it has to  be accepted that                                                               
schools  are having  a terrible  time  making do  with what  they                                                               
have.   The  truth  is,  he said,  districts  that  used to  have                                                               
assistant  superintendents to  work with  the compliance  factors                                                               
that the  legislature put in  place have disappeared.   There are                                                               
school  districts   today  where  the  current   employees  don't                                                               
remember when the district had a curriculum director.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HARGRAVES  added  that the  school  administrators,  through                                                               
[testimony on]  legislation, have  indicated that they  support a                                                               
$200 increase this  year in the per-student  allocation, and that                                                               
they felt  that it  would have  to take place  each year  for the                                                               
next five  years in  order to get  up to the  levels of  a decade                                                               
ago.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0800                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CARL  ROSE,  Executive  Director, Association  of  Alaska  School                                                               
Boards [AASB],  came forth and  stated that he concurs  with much                                                               
that has been said.   He said he thinks there  are three areas to                                                               
be concerned about, and inflation-proofing  is one of them.  When                                                               
[AASB] looked  at what  the needs  are of  the system,  two areas                                                               
were  driving  [them]:  student achievement  and  accountability.                                                               
"We" also identified that capturing  the actual needs in terms of                                                               
cost was  one way  of going  about addressing  what needed  to be                                                               
done.  However,  [AASB] did not want to talk  about the impact of                                                               
inflation  outright, but  wanted to  recognize what  had happened                                                               
over a  period of ten years.   Second, he said,  [AASB] wanted to                                                               
address the  appropriateness of its distribution,  which resulted                                                               
in the  cost model study.   He added that  he also thinks  a real                                                               
solution  would  be   for  the  money  to   be  distributed  more                                                               
appropriately.  The third issue is maintaining the buying power.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  stated that  one thing  that has  come up  when talking                                                               
about education  is the idea that  if [the budget] had  kept pace                                                               
with  inflation,  there would  have  been  in  the area  of  $900                                                               
million and no need for  this discussion today.  Instead, there'd                                                               
be discussions on how to deal  with the capacity and the pressure                                                               
of making sure  that the pace was  kept.  He remarked  that as he                                                               
understands it, [the state] has four  years with which to work to                                                               
try to project  into the future without running  out of reserves.                                                               
He stated, "My  concern is not for where we  should have been; my                                                               
concern is  how we move  forward now."   He said there  are costs                                                               
that need  to be recovered, and  rather than talk about  the lost                                                               
buying power,  "we" need to talk  about what we need  as a system                                                               
to  make  good   on  a  promise  that  all  kids   can  take  and                                                               
successfully pass  these exams.   He suggested  taking a  look at                                                               
the basic  need in  the state; how  the dollars  are distributed,                                                               
based  on  a more  accurate  cost  model;  and the  buying  power                                                               
components for the future.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0602                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE,  in reference  to the  job fair  last week,                                                               
asked what  the number  of people  who showed  up was  versus the                                                               
numbers of vacancies.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KRONBERG responded  that  there were  about  350 people  who                                                               
attended the  job fair, which  is about  one third of  the number                                                               
five  or six  years ago.   He  stated the  he does  not know  the                                                               
number of vacancies.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  stated that from  the information he has,  far fewer                                                               
people attended  than there were  vacancies.  One of  the ongoing                                                               
challenges in education  is that it is "heavy" in  personnel.  He                                                               
said  perhaps, like  Representative Green's  idea, there  will be                                                               
more  "mechanical"  delivery.   However,  he  remarked that  from                                                               
research  he has  seen  the one  consistent  factor that  impacts                                                               
education the  most is a dedicated  teacher.  He asked  Mr. Jeans                                                               
if he  was aware of an  increase in performance when  $20 million                                                               
was added to the foundation formula in 1997.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  responded that the  stated assessment system  that was                                                               
passed along with  that legislation has just  been implemented in                                                               
the past  couple of years.   Therefore, the results are  just now                                                               
coming  back.    He  added that  the  legislature  increased  the                                                               
funding formula, but  at the same time the  required local effort                                                               
went  up as  well  as  the support  from  the federal  government                                                               
through the "impact aid" program.   As a result, that $20 million                                                               
that went  in has been  redirected to  other sources in  the last                                                               
couple of years.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked if that  amount of  money is still  there, but                                                               
just coming from a different source.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS answered  that  he was  correct.   He  added that  the                                                               
legislature  does  deserve  some  kudos  for  fully  funding  the                                                               
foundation program  for enrollment increases during  the past ten                                                               
years.   He said during the  same time that inflation  went up 30                                                               
percent  and  the foundation  formula  went  up only  5  percent,                                                               
enrollment  in [Alaska]  increased 25  percent.   He stated  that                                                               
[the EED] recognizes  that it put additional  burden and pressure                                                               
on the legislature in terms of funding the foundation program.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0327                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER stated  that there  is one  statistic that                                                               
has not been mentioned.  He said:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     During the  same period of  time, what has  happened to                                                                    
     the state's ability to pay?   For the record, somewhere                                                                    
     around 50 percent of the  general fund income over that                                                                    
     period of time has been  reduced. ... Two years ago the                                                                    
     legislature   was   somewhat    shocked   when,   after                                                                    
     determining that every recognizable  group in the state                                                                    
     favored the fiscal plan that  we had developed, we were                                                                    
     brought up  short by  the fact that  84 percent  of the                                                                    
     population didn't  agree with all those  groups and the                                                                    
     legislature.     That  still   has  resulted   in  some                                                                    
     confusion among  legislators on exactly which  track to                                                                    
     take.   My  suggestion  to educators  and teachers  and                                                                    
     administrators and parents groups  is to recognize that                                                                    
     a revenue  plan has to  be in place before  these kinds                                                                    
     of  approaches can  be considered,  and to  orchestrate                                                                    
     one   big   effort   to   convince   their   individual                                                                    
     legislators of this  particular fact so we  can get one                                                                    
     in place.  But our  revenue is bleak, bleaker than what                                                                    
     we've been able to do with less in funding budgets.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  remarked that Mr.  Rose had said something  about if                                                               
[the  budget] was  at $900  million for  schools instead  of $700                                                               
million,  the  CBR  (constitutional   budget  reserve)  would  be                                                               
further  eroded.   Maybe, he  said, the  people could  reach into                                                               
their pockets to  pay the state a personal tax  and the education                                                               
community could have this discussion  with their neighbors rather                                                               
than with [the legislature].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS  remarked  that she  thinks  Representative                                                               
Bunde  is acutely  accurate with  his  comments.   She stated  to                                                               
Representative Green that  he makes a good point and  that it was                                                               
not her  intention to have a  small fiscal note; she  said she is                                                               
trying to  get an  accurate one for  next year.   She said  he is                                                               
right that as the discussion moves  forward it is necessary to be                                                               
aware  of what  inflation may  be in  a year  and how  that would                                                               
impact the  state.   In response to  Chair Bunde's  comments, she                                                               
said she has worked most of  her adult life in the private sector                                                               
and found  it interesting that  when raises and  evaluations came                                                               
along, the rule  of thumb was always, "If you  got a raise that's                                                               
the  same as  inflation, you  should  just look  for another  job                                                               
because they  were just keeping you  constant.  And if  you got a                                                               
raise over inflation, that means  they wanted you to stay there."                                                               
She stated that  she agrees with Chair Bunde's  comment that "we"                                                               
would  automatically be  giving  districts money  every year  and                                                               
that in some ways it is just keeping [their funding] constant.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS continued,  stating  that this  would be  a                                                               
fundamental shift  in how education  is funded next year  if [the                                                               
legislature] thinks about education  and a long-term fiscal plan.                                                               
This  allows  for   [the  funding]  to  be   kept  constant  with                                                               
inflation,  whether inflation  goes up  or down.   She  said this                                                               
then shifts the  conversation to the base  student allocation and                                                               
whether or not [the legislature] has the political will.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[HB 211 was held over.]                                                                                                         

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